Rules discussion

Ta Jay. Sorry to hear about your infirmity Gadge, I can see you aren't feeling bright as a button just now..

Josh has bought in 20 M14's, 20 MP40's plus Thompsons to go with hire uniforms, dress and arm for

OK, now ive had time to mull them over (not to mention getting myself out of a foul mood):

1: "Golden comeback" is going to cause problems. Perhaps give the Lt another couple of bandages to use on other players instead - in effect, giving them an "extra life"? It has the same effect - keeps people in the game, but is finite. Means the Lt will have to use his brain a bit.

2: Give snipers 100 rounds. 50 aint enough for something with all the accuracy of a musket

3: Engineers with PB bazooka/'fausts. H&S. Need I say more? - i'm fucked if i want to get hit in the face with an 12 ft/lb paintball marker if i'm only wearing goggles.

4: Vehicles - need to add MAXIMUM speed limit to the rules.

5: POW's. People will "forget" to register as POW's when back at their CP. Perhaps give the players a token that can be relieved from them by the person who captures them, then banked at the end of the game?

6: Referees "They will be dressed in midnight camouflage and wear a yellow armband to show who they are". That sucks BIG TIME. Far better idea to have them in period clothing with a fookin' big International Red Cross tabbard on. Midnight Cam and bands will look shite.

Other things.....

1st AXIS Regiment will be set up on the beach with a number of MG42 bunkers (unlimited ammo)

Well, thats sold me on the idea. Gives me a reason to finish the 25K BB ammo can feed However.....

Give me 6 Machine Gun crews, with unlimited amounts of ammo and interlocking arcs of fire, and NO-ONE is getting off the beach. Not good for player morale.

Being as none of the points we make appear to be going anywhere I too am not sure what we're supposed to be doing with this.

Agree pretty much with everything Jay says, apart from the MG nest thing. I think you should have a single shot springer pistol from the local market instead. It'll still take most of the Allies three hours to dislodge you with the current regen rules!

Since it looks like Josh is running this (If he wasn't then we'd just be running our ruleset, period)... can you swap the titles around please CW.

"Gunman airsoft and Comrades in Arms."

Thankyou....

Incidently - our 'approved' kit and weapons requirements is totaly missing from the forum, or at least I can't find it.

Stickied here http://www.ww2airsoft.org.uk/php/phpBB2 ... m.php?f=15

Ideally to be copied and posted onto the webby when time allows .

"Gunman airsoft and Comrades in Arms."

Agree with Yith on this one .

PS where the rules etc posted ?

OK, further points:

Regens:
What's the difference between drawing a blue bead and getting back on your feet in 10 minutes, and drawing a red bead and getting registered KIA?

We should definitely lose the 'experience' advantage in the medic rules as well as the body armour. Still very hesitant about the helmet rule.

How do medics restock their bandages?

What's the point of the medics being able to call truce?

Golden comeback is horrible, lose it.

Roles:
How are the roles defined and policed? How do you stop a soldier performing engineer tasks for example?

POWs:
What's the deal with registering as MIA at your own regen point? How will abuse of this be prevented being as you have to own up to having been captured yourself at your own HQ?

Kit:
Definitely use our kit and gun lists. Gunman's current list sucks.

Nighttime:
'Platoons will be sent out on missions', what will these be? Also it will get dark at 4.30pm in November. How will fighting and marshalling in the dark be organised? Bear in mind how many airsofters get lost on smaller sites in daylight!

Gameplay:
Still very concerned that the Allies aren't going to get anywhere without a majority/regen advantage. An open beach attacking entrenched positions?!

Radios:
Only captains carrying radios? Surely there should be designated radio carriers, not high ranking officers.

I notice that Josh has already posted the rules publicly: http://www.gunmanairsoft.co.uk/ironeagle.php

What's our actual involvement in this now apart from providing some publicity? Do we really have a say in how the game's run? We've all posted comments on this forum now, but nothing we have said seems to have been taken on board, has any of it been passed on?

Please don't think this is purely critical as I think the event sounds awesome, but feel there are some real flaws in the current rules that need to be sorted.

If we're about to publicise it we need to make sure it's an event we're happy to endorse. At the moment we all seem to have major concerns with what Josh has already made public.

S

What's our actual involvement in this now apart from providing some publicity? Do we really have a say in how the game's run? We've all posted comments on this forum now, but nothing we have said seems to have been taken on board, has any of it been passed on?

I thinks theres an element of that , also don't forget he's been off having a baby in the past few weeks, updating the rules on his webby are probably bottom of the list right now.

TBH I think this event will be a flop , getting a lot of players ot sign up to a naff looking game in November is a long way to go . Equally think it's worth hanging in there in case it does prove ot be a raging success. We'll know better when the booking lines open . The rules argument maybe immaterial if only 10 people go for it

Well, I've just been browsing the Gunman website and it's not too impressive, the pics of their game days look a bit.....thin.....to say the least.

I can't find anything on other big games they've organised, no pics, no reviews....nowt.

S

OK, let's tackle this bit by bit.

Jay, thank you for the input, changes now incorporated into the latest document here
http://www.ww2airsoft.org.uk/docs/NewRulesIronEagle.doc
Disregard all and every previous and posted rule set.

Regarding comment about registering as POW. Personally I like the idea. We did much the same at Caen - allows totting up of 'points' for stats afterwards (in the same way Gadge did, points were allocated to tasks but system is immaterial to players and relevant to organiser only). PLUS it means that there is no trekking miles to an enemy CP when 'captured' - very tedious and knackering plus you get to see behind enemy lines!
The CP is occupied by a member of staff so chaps shouldn't 'forget'.

Headshot. I keep saying this but you choose to ignore it. Josh has asked US to get involved - you keep saying we aren't getting anywhere with Josh. I haven't discussed OUR proposals with him and won't until it is finalised.
Blue bead and red bead just distinguished whether you died of whether to returned from hospital - again, I think this is for after battle reports (200 POW, 300 KIA)
There is no helmet rule, armour rule, experience rule.
Medics would restock from CP, now added to rules
We have infantry, sniper, medic and support gunner roles in our games, this just adds mechanic.
Not sure about plans for night-time - guess we could do the same we are doing at CR.
Beach assault. Brits are behind dropped enemy front line, it's not just a frontal attack by the US.
Radios are being carried by commanders for game control purposes (just as we did) but there is the opportunity to make use of them tactically in-game if chaps can get their shit together.
'Rules' posted on their webby will be changed when we confirm. At this moment in time they are a filler - personally I would have led on the back story for publicity, which I will be discussing with Josh. Press advertising will be done this way as well as at Beltring.

I am not running backwards and forwards to Josh with 'change this' and 'change that' - he has approached us assuming we were a professional organisation hence the need for a final package to present.

You were invited to a meeting with him in which all this stuff could have been discussed but you chose not to - he also showed Guy and me a stack of photos of past stuff he had done. Most airsoft sites have crap web sites! If you think he is making it all up get in touch will some re-enacting groups that have been to his events or get yourself across to the site and see for yourself.

J has asked for a meeting shortly to square stuff up, open to everyone of course. Might be an idea to go across to his site, might not.

Dave, I'm not getting at you personally here, but every time we post something on here to comment on the rules as you've asked your response seems quite fraught.

It seems that we're all approaching this event with the same cautious pessimism which should perhaps be a bit more optimistic, but I think we have a healthy amount of concern about the event, rather than just blindly supporting A.N. Other WW2 day.

In short, no-ones out-and-out dissing the event (well, maybe Yith is ), so there's no need for us to get exasperated about it.

I know I originally said that I wasn't keen to support this event but I did say I'd go with the majority decision which is what I'm doing. (Plus your marketing made me do a little sex-wee, I've always wanted to do a Normandy beach assault )

I've not chosen to not attend any meetings, I haven't been able to because of other commitments.

I didn't realise that the helmet, experience and armour rules had been shelved now.

I understand that a lot of the rules are similar to ours, but I just worry that with up to 200 players there will be people who will abuse them and I'm suggesting that Josh thinks about how that will be policed. (Although I'm sure he already has, that contingency isn't clear in the plans)

Cool on the radios.

Still concerned about the Allied attack, but that will have to hang for now.

I understand that we want to present a final package to Josh, my only real concern here was that he had posted the rules before we'd had a chance to respond. Seems a bit weird. Mind you, I doubt anybody's read them yet.

I'll try and get to the next meeting.

S

No, understood HS. Sorry if I sound terse - it is very frustrating to work in-commitee when I haven't reported to anyone for the last 23 years - I don't ask anyone, I just do it!

I want to get stuff moving and it's like wading through treacle sometimes. We have agreed to co-operate with Gunman, we have agreed that we will draw up the rules. He is investing thousands in this game and is not pissing around. It will be awesome if we get behind it 100% (or actually 5/6ths of 100% whatever that is ).

If anything this game will be over-policed! He has what he calls refs which don't take part in the game but oversee cheating/H&S/injury/stray members of the public plus marshals who are in-game and in control of the game.

Agree odd that he would flag up rules before scenario - not how I would have done it. You will notice on his latest posting on this forum under events he doesn't mention rules at all as it is pending our submission. I don't think he will pay someone to alter his webby just to alter it back so no doubt for the moment it will stay as it is. However, with Beltring being the big push I expect it all to be in plavce before then.

As for cautious pessimism. I'm an cautious optimist. If I say I'll do something, I'll do it to the best of my ability and make sure my optimism is justified. But hey, if you don't try something you will never know will 's awesome!ya! Could be pants, doing my damndest to make sure it isn't.

83.333% (recurring)

Recurring to infinity....hmm...... bit like this rules discussion really.

BTW came across this

http://www.airsoftcommunity.co.uk/forum ... pic=109919

.........it's really time that bad boy was taken of the net .

Similar crap below .

http://www.airsoftcommunity.co.uk/forum ... try1016616

Obviously all that bollx they spouted when they threatened to shut down about wanting to spend time living a life hasn't come off.

Could it be because they don't have lives to live?!

Aerial view of the site - playing area outlined IIRC
Big pic!

Google map link if you want to zoom around:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en ... &z=15&om=1

Methyr Mawr is closest place for map searching.

Feck!

There's not much cover....

I doubt Google Earth has that area mapped in 3D but looking at the terrain and the OS map the woods are 30' higher than the beach level and the dunes are undulating with some deep cuts.

I daresay getting off the beach itself will be a very SPR moment.

And the beach is only half a mile wide.......

I doubt Google Earth has that area mapped in 3D

Actually, it does....in fecking good res too. High promontories to either side so it's quite a pronounced valley.